134. 和谢晨聊“数据的综述”：AI 和机器人数据的历史、版图、金字塔与 Recipe

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A deep dive into the paradigm shift of AI and robotics data, exploring how simulation data acts as an 'educational system' to solve the data desert problem in embodied AI, and defining the future symbiotic landscape of brains, bodies, scenarios, and data.

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134. A Deep Dive into Data with Xie Chen: The History, Landscape, Pyramid, and Recipe of AI and Robotics Data

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2026年，除了嘉宾访谈，我们也很希望推出一些内部人士的产业单集。今天就是这样的一次尝试。

我们知道数据、算力、算法，是驱动人工智能的三驾马车。今天这集节目我们邀请我们的返场嘉宾、光轮智能创始人兼CEO谢晨，试图通过一集节目完整聊聊这其中一架马车——数据。我们尝试来做一个“数据的产业综述”。

大语言模型的数据遇到撞墙的难题，机器人的数据则处于一片荒漠中。数据产业是如何运转的？一些人正在探索的仿真数据、数据金字塔等将如何改变产业格局？ OUTLINE： 00:01:07 寻觅 00:20:09 综述 00:41:39 共生 00:48:30 势力 01:06:56 历程 01:14:45 迹象 01:32:00 对照 01:42:40 金字塔 01:55:31 定价 02:02:50 Recipe 02:17:06 版图 02:28:52 终点 LINKS：

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134. 和谢晨聊「数据的综述」：AI 和机器人数据的历史、版图、金字塔与 Recipe